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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/Aug/16 15:54, Saul Stein wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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am going to use words very loosely here so please forgive
me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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hat><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Why
use your own CPE? Here in ZA, there is a large ISP that
gives ADSL modems/routers for free. They run a TR069 type
service but don’t give you access to control your router
(which is also your firewall and NAT device). I control my
own stuff thank you very much. Hence I haven’t used their
free router.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hat><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">If
my customers use our CPEs then we can do funky stuff like
Liquid and roll out v6 etc but when we don’t give them
control they have to do their own thing… it’s a catch 22. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">There
is also then the question of firewalling…if the customer
only uses the provider CPE, how do they manage their
network?</span></p>
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I've been in both positions, both as a user and as a provider.<br>
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But speaking as a user, when I had an ADSL service, the telco
provided their ADSL modem/router. Initially, I run IP on it, but
later on, bought my own wireless router and run the telco's
modem/router in Bridge mode. I did this because the telco's
modem/router lacked in features. Also, the telco's modem was a very
cheap Billion device, which cost me less money in replacements after
lightning strikes, compared to replacing my wireless router which
also supported an ADSL modem.<br>
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After I moved to FTTH, I initially ran the ISP's ONU in Bridge mode
and did all the IP on my wireless router. However, with the massive
increase in bandwidth by going to fibre, my wireless router kept
falling over because it didn't have enough memory to handle all the
NAT44 state I threw at it.<br>
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The ISP's ONU was much bigger (in memory terms, but physically
also), and had decent features for my use-case (including IPv6
support, although lacking a few IPv6 features, not to mention the
lack of IPv6 support from my ISP at present). So I switched my
wireless router to AP-only mode, and did all the IP on the ISP's
ONU. Of course, I did reset my ISP's ONU so as to log into it,
secure it and make sure they can't get into it apart from sending it
a configuration from the OLT.<br>
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My ISP isn't picky about me locking them out of their own CPE, but I
know many ISP's would take exception to this. Plus, their ONU comes
with a decent number of Gig-E switch ports, 802.11ac and dual-band
802.11a/b/g/n. So why replicate that, especially if it's a free
upgrade from them :-)?<br>
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In both cases, I took control of the ISP's CPE. Finding ADSL
settings for a particular network is not hard, and GPON ONU settings
are hard-coded to the device delivered to your premises. But, I
appreciate that I'm in the minority, as are you and several others.
With consumer broadband, we have to think about the masses, the
majority of whom couldn't care less how Internet arrived to their
homes, as long as it worked.<br>
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Mark.<br>
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